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07 April 2011 @ 10:53 am
Help with Gen V Trick Room Team?  
Hi there!
Recently I learned that a Pokemon Black and White Battle Competition is going to be held very soon, and I'm keen on entering.
However I've never battled competitively before, although I do have a good understanding of EVs, IVs, Natures and the like.

I thought it might be fun to use a Trick Room team, so I need help on deciding which Pokemon to use, movesets, EV spreads etc.

The rules are Level 50 Double Battles, with each Trainer allowed 4 Pokemon.
Only Pokemon found in the Unova Pokedex can be used, excluding Reshiram and Zekrom.

Some of these sets I came across while browsing Smogon, so if you've seen them before you probably have.

Reuniclus @ Magic Guard
Quiet (+Sp Atk, -Spd) w/ Life Orb

EVs: 172 HP, 32 Def, 252 Sp Atk, 52 Sp Def
- Trick Room
- Psychic
- Focus Blast
- Shadow Ball

Eelektross @ Levitate
Quiet (+Sp Atk, -Spd) w/ Sitrus Berry

EVs: 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Sp Atk
- Thunderbolt / Wild Charge
- Flamethrower
- HP Ice
- Crunch

Scrafty @ Moxie
Brave (+Atk, -Spd) w/ Chople Berry

EVs: 252 HP, 252 Atk, 4 Def
- Drain Punch
- Crunch
- Fake Out
- Rock Slide / Detect

Chandelure @ Flame Body
Modest (+Sp Atk, -Atk) w/ ???

EVs: 252 HP, 252 Sp Atk, 4 Sp Def
- Trick Room
- Flamethrower / Heat Wave
- Shadow Ball
- Protect / HP Ice

Other Options:
Musharna @ Telepathy
Sassy (+Sp Def, -Spd) w/ Mental Herb / Sitrus Berry

EVs: 252 HP, 252 Sp Def, 4 Def
- Trick Room
- Psychic
- Shadow Ball / Light Screen
- Helping Hand

Gigalith @ Sturdy
Brave (+Atk, -Spd) w/ Normal Gem

EVs: 252 HP, 252 Atk, 4 Def
- Explosion
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake
- Protect

Conkeldurr @ Guts
Adamant (+Atk, -Sp Atk) w/ Flame Orb

EVs: 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Sp Def
- Mach Punch
- Drain Punch
- Rock Slide / Earthquake
- Protect

I wanted Chandelure on my team to act as another Trick Room set-up in case Reuniclus faints, but its moveset seems redundant when I have Eelektross and Reuniclus.
I'm also worried about Scrafty being taken out by opposing Conkeldurr who have Mach Punch, and I would use Conkeldurr but it doesn't have access to Fake Out like Scrafty to help Reuniclus set up Trick Room.

Musharna would work well with Gigalith because Telepathy keeps it safe from Earthquake and Explosion, so I'm still deciding on whether to use Musharna or Reuniclus as my Trick Room setup; Reuniclus seems to be the popular choice though.

Any and all help with building my team would be appreciated. :)
Thanks very much!
WeaselDog: Composedweaseldog_ltg09 on April 11th, 2011 06:21 pm (UTC)
Alright, you seem off to a good start here. I'll toss out a few tips.

Protect is not nearly as useful unless you're using moves that can potentially hit teammates. The only ones I see up there are Earthquake and Explosion on your other options, so don't worry about it too much. Also, Telepathy is Musharna's Dream World ability, so I'm not sure how possible it is to obtain.

Using Fake Out to make an opening for Trick Room is a great tactic, so Reuniclus and Scrafty are good lead choices. And then once Trick Room is up, you have great attack coverage on both physical and special sides with them. Reuniclus should have little trouble starting up Trick Room, and honestly, if you need to set up Trick Room a second time then you're taking too long and are already on your way to a loss.

Always get Speed-lowering natures for the best use of Trick Room. Brave (+Atk) and Quiet (+SpA) are recommended. Chandelure is kinda fast for Trick Room at base 80 Speed, so I'm a little iffy about that one. It's liable to end up being a sacrificial lamb after setting up, unless you have it hold an Iron Ball or something.

Eelektross is an amazing Pokemon with no initial weaknesses, so definitely keep it. Under Trick Room, it will do a lot of damage to almost anything. Shell Bell might be a better item for it in the long run, rewarding you for dealing massive damage with extra health. I'd use Thunderbolt over Wild Charge, since you're going for a Quiet nature and recoil kinda works against a recovery-style hold item. If you don't want the hassle of getting Hidden Power Ice, then Dragon Claw will still hit Dragons hard. Or try the hilarious Acid Spray to break through bulkier enemies, if you're like me and have a little trollish side.

So yeah, Reuniclus, Scrafty and Eelektross are all very solid. It's hard for me to pick a fourth Pokemon out of the others listed. Chandelure MIGHT work with a little luck, or as an emergency fallback if the Trick Room thing falls through. I love Musharna, but again, Telepathy is Dream World and it might be a little redundant with Reuniclus. Conkeldurr is a good choice with the very useful Mach Punch, but is redundant with Scrafty. Earthquake can be used if Eelektross is its partner, but otherwise Rock Slide is best. Pick whatever fits you best, and good luck!
Raine: 【pokemon】umbreoneevees on April 13th, 2011 02:24 am (UTC)
First off, thanks a lot for your help!
I really appreciate it. :)

It was hard for me to pick between Scrafty and Conkeldurr, as both have their pros and cons. In the end I'm choosing Conkeldurr for its higher Attack and STAB Mach Punch.

I'm using Musharna as my second Trick Room set-up for its bulk, and as you said Chandelure does seem a little fast for Trick Room.

I was worried about having to try and breed an Eelektross with HP Ice, especially since Tynamo can't learn Hidden Power so it would be difficult to determine exactly what type of HP it would learn without having to evolve it and check. So yeah I might choose Dragon Claw over HP Ice. With the EVs Eelektross seems to be a mixed sweeper anyway.

Once again thanks for the tips, and thanks for the good luck! :D